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Stefan Sagmeister

Interview Stefan Sagmeister

We can enjoy something that does nothing. Wir können uns an etwas erfreuen, das nichts tut.

Art has always been a mirror of social transformation. What does art reflect today and where could the journey go?

Sagmeister: Art is now probably even more a reflection of our society than it has ever been in the past. Throughout history art has often concentrated on the story of the rulers, be that in Egypt, the Mayans or the Venetians. I feel art - be that contemporary visual art or literature, film, architecture or design, does a very good job in reflecting the state of our society today.

In what way does art influence societies today and where could the journey go?

Contemporary art represents right now a niche product for a comparatively small audience. Even in New York City, where contemporary art arguable plays a large role then in other place in the world, the famous Museum of Modern Art is only the 4th most visited museum. One could argue that because contemporary art is often collected by very rich people, it does have an influence on the very powerful. I doubt many artists would be happy with this line of thinking.

Does art permeate all layers of society?

That would depend on how we define art: If we mean the contemporary art market, I would say no. If we use a more inclusive definition and call upon visual culture in general, meaning also fashion and magazines and TV shows and product design and interfaces, then absolutely!

Will artistic expression gain traction or lose influence for the general public?

As machines continue to take on more purely functional work, my guess would be that very human and non-functional expressions will become more important.

The lines between social focal points regarding “individualism” and “collective thinking” seem to be blurring. Where do you think we were, are and will be?

Hmm, I really have no idea. And nothing interesting to say about that.

Regarding distinctive artistic styles: Are there still “schools” or “movements” or has globalization done away with such a thing entirely?

There are minor movements coming up here and there but the time for large groups of artists working in a similar direction such as ‘abstract expressionism’ or ‘cubism’ seems to be over for now.

Which new sub- / youth-cultural movements will have the greatest influence on creators in the future and how will they impact the way we receive art?

As always, the visual world will mostly be influenced by new technologies. This was the case with the invention of new tools and mediums such as the chisel or fresco, the development of the printing press and photography as well as the digital world. My guess - and my guesses were often wrong in the past - would be that gaming, VR and AI will have a big influence.

Profit and art – how do they mix?

As mentioned, art and money (or power) have always mixed historically. Places that were fruitful for artists such as Amsterdam throughout the Dutch Golden Age or Venice through the Renaissance were extremely wealthy and could afford to offer full-time employment of artists.

Profit and art – should they mix?

The fact that there is a lot of money in the contemporary art market allows many more artists to make a living. As in other fields - unfortunately - the largest part of that money goes to relatively few artists on the very top.

Do you perceive shifts in “cultural dominance” on a global scale?

Yes. Many museums I am aware of are in the process of reordering their collection as well as their focus for special exhibits: What used to be a concentration on European art is now widened into a much more international direction, placing their holdings from Asia, Africa and South America more centrally and adding to omissions.

If there is such a thing (a dominant culture) how does it impact the general reception of artistic expression?

In general, we tend to like the things we know something about. If we are completely unfamiliar with a certain style, culture or artistic expression, we wont be able to understand it.

Can an artist exist in an “subjective bubble” – decoupled from popular trends and fashions?

This is difficult but possible: I’d say Alex Katz would be a good example, successfully creating simplified realistic images in a time when most of the art world finds that unfashionable.

Are there standards (objective or otherwise) by which the importance of art can be measured?

History is good at creating these standards as with the advantage of hindsight we can often see clearer who created what and when as well as which directions proofed to be important and influential over time.

In what way Is “art for art’s sake” something to be aspired to today?

My favorite definition about the difference between art and design comes from Donald Judd who said: Design has to work. Art does not. He means that art really does not have to do anything, it can just be. I think for many of us as viewers this comes as a relief: We can enjoy something that does nothing.

In what way will “art for art’s sake” be something to be aspired to tomorrow?

As mentioned before, my guess it will become - in a world that has to function more and more, more important.

The alleged trend of “remaking” has raised voices lamenting a “slow death of creativity”. Do you acknowledge such a thing and if so – what is to be done about it?

The death of painting, the end of print and the annihilation of art itself has been suggested many times over the past decades. Neither d-jays nor people involved in recycling themes and images will kill art or design.

What is art to you?

From a visitor’s point of view I see art as a wonderful universe I can visit together with a friend in long gallery tours through, Tribeca, Chelsea and the Lower East Side of Manhattan and discuss it while we are both looking at it. The possibility to see an individual world created by an artist and the comparison it might have to my own world yields the potential to enrich my life.

Is there such a thing as “quality” in art?

Absolutely! I have deeply felt opinions on what is good and what is bad art. Sometimes I change my mind when I know more about a certain artist or a particular piece.

Stefan Sagmeister

Stefan Sagmeister is from the Austrian city of Bregenz. In the late 1980s, he studied graphic design at the Pratt Institute in New York as a Fulbright Scholar. After graduating with a Master of Fine Arts, he began his eventful career as a designer at the advertising agency Leo Burnett in Hong Kong in 1991. He returned to the Big Apple a few years later and founded his own agency, Sagmeister Inc., where his design work covered various types of media. The company made a name for itself above all in designing album covers. Notable works include the album illustrations for Bridges to Babylon (Rolling Stones), Set the Twilight Reeling and Ecstasy (Lou Reed) and Nine Lives (Aerosmith). Sagmeister’s work has so far earned him six Grammy nominations, and he has won the coveted music award twice. In addition to giants of the music industry, his clients also include renowned companies such as BMW, Ben & Jerry’s and Levi’s.